Dr Tobias Gantner is a proponent of Do Leadership. He says: "When I look in the mirror, I see every day who is in charge. No one else. "

Dr Tobias Gantner is a doctor, well-known speaker and entrepreneur. The German initially worked in surgery before making a career in industry. In 2013, he founded HealthCare Futurists, an international and independent network for innovation in the medical industry.

"We are a kind of platform," Gantner explains at the beginning of the conversation with Kuble partner Christoph Hess. "A platform that brings together different experts from different directions to develop innovative and digital projects in medicine and healthcare.''

Medicines from the 3D printer

His high school teacher once told him that knowledge is not knowing where to find it, but feeling where it could be. He continues: "Thanks to Google or Wikipedia, we think we know everything. But we only know where the knowledge is and not what is behind it. This is where we come in." He says his platform tries to bring different people to the table and develop innovative concepts: "And then we build prototypes." He gives an example: "We developed a method this way with a generic drug manufacturer to print drugs with a 3D printer."

Gantner is an advocate of so-called do leadership, what means doing instead of talking. So how does one become a successful founder and maker? "There is no easy path to success," says Gantner, "there is no shortcut." When he meets people who want to found a start-up, he always asks: "Why do you want to found this start-up? How do you want to pull it off, as a part-time job or full-time? What motivates you?" This last question in particular is central, because it can never just be about making money.

Leadership means taking responsibility

He also warns against "start-up petting zoos": "Finish your education first, develop your idea further, test it on a small market. Don't be taken in and blinded by being invited to events by big companies." And above all, be confident: "It's not that startups have to apply to companies, but companies should also apply to startups. Because it has to be a good fit for both sides."

Do leadership also means leading well. "For me, leadership means: I exemplify the values and behaviours that I think are right. When I look in the mirror, I see who is responsible every day. If mistakes happen, I don't blame any politician or my staff, I blame myself."

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Dr. Tobias Gantner (left) says in conversation with Christoph Hess: "In the medical practice of the future, people will also be at the centre."

In addition, good leadership also means detecting and using the potential of the employees: "The person with a good idea is supported by all of us and is then considered the inventor. Then we jointly determine the budget and the time span and the framework conditions are already clear as to how it can come to work."

What does the Metaverse do with our relationships?

Finally, Gantner is asked about the Metaverse. "I don't understand this technology in detail, I'm an old white man already," he said with a laugh. "But I find it exciting. For example, we built a game where players can fly immersively through blood vessels." But he is more concerned with the socio-psychological questions about it: "What does the Metaverse do with us? Humans are social creatures, our whole lives are built on relationships."

He cites two examples to support this: firstly, new studies show, for example, that children suffered great psychosocial damage during the pandemic because they could not go to school. And secondly, the concept of a doctor's practice of the future also shows how important real, interpersonal relationships are and will remain: "Technology will be secondary. The doctor will increasingly become the administrator of medical knowledge. And he exchanges this knowledge with patients best when he is in a relationship with them."

Gantner is convinced that interpersonal relationships will become more important, not less important: "And what does this aspect look like in the virtual world? What does the Metaverse do with these relationships?" That, he says, is a very crucial question for him.

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